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buttons even while polling.
Donate to the DNC . We don't have RNC/McSame lobbyists throwing money to us by the bagful.
by soms on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:30:33 PM PDT
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From Earlier... All Aboard!
by Steven R on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:34:43 PM PDT
Eat up their time, so that they can call fewer low information voters with what time they have left.
by LivinginReality on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM PDT
"The question isn't 'Is America ready for Barack Obama;' the question is, 'Is America ready for a smart President." John Lovitz
by Kdoug on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:47:08 PM PDT
Aw shucks! And all this time I was misled to believe that Hill was a "heavy-weight".
by calibpatriot on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:03:19 PM PDT
And the same is true of bill collectors, by the way. (Unless you want to just order them to cease and desist.) Just fuck with them endlessly. When they try to get off the phone, ask them to send you some Hillary brochures and then start asking them personal questions like their home address or, failing that, some way you can contact them at campaign headquarters. Or, do what I do, try to seduce them over the phone. "Have any personal pics you could send me? You sound really sexy."
by Dumbo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:58:45 PM PDT
"hear what this perverted obama supporter said to a telephone pollster! audiotape at 11..." :)
www.beyondmarriage.org
by decafdyke on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:17:55 PM PDT
...is a minute they're not caging someone else's vote.
So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"
by khereva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:34:02 PM PDT
I tried to change her mind. I told her about how Clinton voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment and how that greases the wheels for Bush to bomb Iran, and she told me that she didn't know about it. She was listening attentively and asking pertinent questions until someone told her to get off.
Listen, when a Jehovah Witness came to my door, I told her that if she wanted to do the Lord's work (helping the needy, working for Peace on Earth and good will toward all men/women/children), she should get involved in working to impeach Cheney/Bush and electing moral candidates, who would truly abide by the 10 Commandments, not just give them lip service. I out-proselytized her.
I also did the same with a group of Mormans, who spoke to me in front of MIT. I got them talking about the morality of our present administration's policies and actions and tried to convince them that steering our country in a more moral direction was more effective in helping Jesus than converting me.
Information is the currency of democracy. ~ T.J.
by CIndyCasella on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:48:15 PM PDT
You can come over and answer my phone/door for me any time you want. That's awesome.
obligatory blog link (now updated semi-daily!)
by Praxxus on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:04:55 PM PDT
making the stupid arguments and thinking she was making a difference. She would have been better served hanging up and trying to reach someone who would believe her spiel.
by Leftovers on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:35:15 PM PDT
Would you still vote for Obama if you knew the election wouldn't count? Yes. No you wouldn't.
Priceless!
"People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V
by MikeTheLiberal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:37:57 PM PDT
elections were fair?
If you KNOW people would stay home because they thought the election wouldn't count, does that make the vote legitimate?
"The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, (insert act) is outrageous!" - McSpokesperson
by Muzikal203 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:41:10 PM PDT
in the face of hugely compelling "talking points"? What are you? Some kind of Lib'rul?
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.
by Granny Doc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:08:10 PM PDT
by sumo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:02:09 PM PDT
Is it ethical for volunteers to deliberately mislead potential voters?
What if Praxxus had been undecided?
This tactic reaffirms my belief that Hillary Clinton has reached the lowest of the low in the integrity department. She joins the ranks of W., Cheney and Rove in my book.
You know, in my profession I work with college undergrads. This election is the first in years that these students have shown the enormous level of energy and excitement over any election in their lifetimes. Most are completely in Obama's court. And guess what? More than one of them has told me if HRC steals or rigs this election from Obama, they will vote for McCain. I try to reason with them and say McCain will just be another W. and even HRC isn't THAT bad. They would not budge. I finally asked WHY McCain? The answer overall: He is more honest and trustworthy than HRC.
My own son, who is down in NC now between finals and Commencement when he will graduate, is working for Obama's campaign. I raised him to be a loyal Democrat. His sentiments are the same as those in his peer group.
HRC is looking at a potential generation of very angry and unforgiving voters.
by Libby Shaw on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:24:10 PM PDT
Especially against a member of your own party.
But it works. That's why Nixon, Lee Atwater, and Karl Rove have done it.
John McCain--Anti-choice and anti-woman!
by Sharoney on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:52:55 PM PDT
college students (although won't be anymore come the general) who would rather have McCain than Clinton. For one, he maintains shreds of personal integrity such as when he bitch slapped the right wing radio host something Cunningham. He also continues to at least say that he doesn't believe campaigns should be run on issues that distract from real concerns.
NOW, I know he is saying such things and then doing something else or purely to draw media attention to something (such as the NC GOP Wright ads), but hear me out!
John McCain is at least genuinely, personally opposed to many things Obama talks about... Hillary is not. John McCain is actually Obama's opponent and Hillary is on the same team. McCain talks about keeping a bare minimum of civility (more than other Republican candidates we might have faced would have shown), while Hillary rolls in the mud and instinctively and reflexively launches attacks at Obama (just watch any of the debates).
Hillary has done more to misrepresent Obama and his views than McCain has done thus far, and as an independent I was pulling for him to be the GOP nominee BECAUSE he was the best they had to offer. If the only two parties we friggin have in this nation are going to butt heads, then I want to at least have the cream of the respective crops to choose from. McCain does have some positives, but I can just stop at that statement because I will already get flamed for it.
Hillary is not the best that Democrats can offer, Obama is. Ergo, Obama should win imo. In fact, I would venture to say that Obama is the best politician of my short 23 year lifetime, and has even changed my outlook about what a politician can be. Hillary has made me reevaluate how low that bar can go... McCain still has some way to fall before he forsakes basic human decency and until then he is #2 on my presidential list.
by Jampacked on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:08:51 PM PDT
You have probably heard some of these arguments. Forgive me if you have considered them.
McCain would be thwarting a Dem congress. Hopefully it will have big enough majorities to override the veteos - but that takes time.
Supreme court justices serve for a lifetime. A more conservative court will affect your life for 20 years minimum.
Our active millitary stuck in Iraq with lousy services and showers that are improperly grounded causing deaths from electrocution.
McCain voted to continue torture - even though he spoke firmly against it in a GOP debate.
Our vets whose health care, mental health, education and disability benefits are grossly underfunded.
Check out the stats that are coming out on the suicide rates for the Iraq vets.
All that said, I don't think the DNC can nominate Clinton. The backlash from the AA community will be worse than losing the Southern Democrats.
Although some of us would not be too disappointed to see both parties die off. I'd go Green in a heartbeat if the chances of winning were competitive.
I hope that not only does Obama win, that we all manage to change politics enough that you have another candidate in your lifetime you believe in this much.
Too much sanity may be madness. The maddest of all is to see the world as it is and not as it should be. Don Quixote "Man of La Mancha"
by Ginny in CO on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:08:43 PM PDT
McCain is a disaster of a vote, nearly as much of one as Hillary.
Now, the waiting game is to see whether or not the DNC actively pursues its own self-destruction as a political entity by handing her the nomination.
by khereva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:39:52 PM PDT
McCain hasn't had to go negative on Obama simply because McCain hasn't ran against Obama yet. He's been able to sit back while Hillary goes nuts trying to salvage her dream. He employs Karl Rove, for christsake.
Even if a majority Democratic Congress managed to keep a chokehold on McCain's actions for four years, that's frankly not enough.
Our nation is bleeding. Every section of our government, every tradition we as a people have kept has been under attack for the last eight years. Our constitution lies ruined on the steps to the West Wing. Our military, stretched to its breaking point fighting a war without end, well after the point that a popular, rational president would have called for a draft. Our agencies, from FEMA to product safety to the Pentagon to the Justice Department, have been corrupted by Bush appointees to the point that most career civil servants with "shreds of personal integrity" have resigned rather than perpetrate further injustice. Whereas once the world loved our people in defiance of whoever happened to be president at the moment (Muslim academics point to our unseating of Nixon as a great victory for justice, for example), we have raised a generation of global youth who know us only for Bush's belligerance and incompetence. Not all of these things can be fixed by a mere 2 or 4 years of Democratic dominance - some of them will take a generation to fix.
What we face, meanwhile, is the beginning of the greatest challenge that the nation has faced since the cold war began - a constellation of challenges each equal in scope to any problem a modern president has solved.
We need to transition our people to a non-fossil-fuel-based mode of living. Natural gas supplies are threatening to exhaust themselves in a decade, and we have already reached the plateau of Peak Oil - while prices rise due to the ever-present demand, the decline (caused by geologic, not economic, phenomena) will start to be considerable sometime in the next 8 years, if not 4.
We need to deal with the greatest debt on every scale - national, personal, trade, military, that we have ever had as a country. We very likely will have to deal with the crushing fall of the US dollar as anchor currency, to the rising dominance of the Euro. That represents enough positive feedback to our monetary system to trigger real hyperinflation, all by itself. And it's already beginning.
We need to reform our justice system, our immigration system, our copyright/patent system, and our national security system to be within the bounds of reason, before we become a pariah nation, known for its hostility to freedom.
We need to establish a constitutional right that advancing technology will no longer allow us to simply presume - privacy. That such a vague notion has never been formalized illustrates the difficulty, but that it has always been expected illustrates the need.
The status quo on these issues is simply not good enough, even if you can pretend that a Republican President with a Democratic congress wouldn't be able to do anything else harmful. I can't. And so I will be voting for Hillary if she manages to get the nomination, because she will at the very least not stand in the way of every change that needs(needs) to be made. Whether she's willing to prostitute herself out to every push-pollster in the world will not change that, even if she doesn't personally push a single campaign promise through.
by Squalish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:28:43 PM PDT
I'm not as certain of your belief in Hillary as a fallback choice.
If seniority equated to good judgment, John McCain would be appointed president.
by Juan4All on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:49:48 PM PDT
She's still at least nominally a (D). She can take every ethical lapse available, she can think of the Party as an organized crime family for all I care, but she owes her loyalty to the DLC, not the RNC. And so she won't actively fight some of the obvious things that our country requires to get through the next decade, when pushed by a Democratic Congress.
Every single one of her campaign promises could end up being renounced the day after she's elected - and she'd still be superior to even a leashed McCain. Our country may not be able to take another 8 years of Bush-like rule intact.
by Squalish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:01:23 PM PDT
McCain: a slow-witted, puppet conservative
or
Clinton: a smart, devious, stubborn, egotistical, closet conservative.
Either would make maximum use of our "new Constitution" with it's guarantee of Executive Omnipotence.
Your choice. Puppet or Closet Conservative.
by Juan4All on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:22:12 PM PDT
My husband and I are 59 and we're feel the exact same way.
by lilysnana on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:53:09 PM PDT
You don't get to keep democracy unless you fight for it.
by artebella on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:47:27 PM PDT
There aren't any undecided voters left.
There are voters who want the candidates to come kiss their butt and make them feel important.
There are voters who are ashamed of the reason for their choice because they know it's shabby and indefensible.
There are voters who won't speak because they fear the "point and laugh" effect.
There are voters who want to fuck with the media.
There aren't voters who really and honestly haven't decided.
by khereva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:37:00 PM PDT
I voted for Edwards after he had dropped out. Don't think they'd like that rebuttal either, out of touch assholes.
I'm a Bobby Kennedy Democrat
by docstymie on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:52:07 PM PDT
by Paladine on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:46:49 PM PDT
Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by Deoliver47 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:56:32 PM PDT
McCain - Worse than Bush
by MAORCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:39:30 PM PDT
I like that in a person :-)
by Juan4All on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:51:54 PM PDT
that was time they could not spend calling someone else.
Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. 76 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!
by TrueBlueMajority on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:36:47 PM PDT
...on Election day! If this is indicative of the Clinton Campaign, they're in for a bumpy night!
by Triangulate on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:22:14 PM PDT
They call me in Oregon all the time. Just got one about 1/2 hour ago. I just say - wait a minute, I hear sniper fire - gotta go and hang up.
Not only did we beat the British now we have to beat the Bushes.
by libbie on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:02:21 PM PDT
You just made me laugh out loud for the second time in one thread, and I am easily unamused. (The first time was "I said more, but realized in a bit she had hung up on me" - which come to think of it pretty much defines my 35 years of experience with the Clintons). Granted, I'm a little bit drunk now, but I haven't been in this good a mood in months. Thanks for adding to my night.
PS - I haven't really had 35 years of experience with the Clintons. They really only hung up on me the first time in 1993 - thanks for "don't ask don't tell", you two! Yes, I'm still holding it against you! But if she can stretch the truth I can stretch it further.
by bitter fruit on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:33:13 PM PDT
with a phone banker that asks for your opinions and listens, you might call that "polling." When a Clinton staffer calls you and scolds you for clearly understanding the dismal reality of her candidacy, that's called "pole-ing."
You were poled.
There has to be an invisible sun / That gives us hope when the whole day's done -Police
by rightiswrong on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:35:00 PM PDT
2 Hillary supporters called me and they were shocked I was voting for Obama. They argued with me for a while. They said they were quite upset that I was a middle aged white woman not voting for Hillary. The door to door canvasser was rude and condesending. He suggested I study the issues more and become more engaged in the political process.
I said,
Young man, I am informed and very much engaged. I know all about the issues. That is why I am voting for Obama. And I will forget more about politics in my old age than you know right now.
The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama
by wishingwell on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:57:21 PM PDT
Us grey haired chicks still have some piss and vinegar to spend along with the brain cells.
Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:43:06 PM PDT
by goofygringirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:16:45 PM PDT
wide narrow
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