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Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
by Glic on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:33:04 PM PDT
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it was crazy funny. Props for history!
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by ourhispanicvoices on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:37:00 PM PDT
pathetic.
by livosh1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:46:51 PM PDT
I blogged about this already, but this is worth reading:
By the way, this right wing smear on Robert Malley is just moronic if you know the facts. Here is what NBC News had to say: One of the Obama campaign's informal Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, confirms to NBC NEWS that he has resigned from any role in the campaign because critics have tried to make an issue of his meetings with Hamas. The Times of London called him about it this morning, and has posted a story online. As a result, he called Obama's campaign today and took himself out of any future role. Malley's paid job is with the International Crisis Group, which, he says, requires him to meet with Hamas and others. Malley worked for six and a half years at the Clinton National Security Council under Tony Lake and Sandy Berger. Lake is now one of Obama's top foreign policy advisors. Speaking to NBC NEWS, Malley said, "I decided based on the fact that this was becoming a distraction that it was best that I remove myself from any association with the campaign." Malley added, "My job with the International Crisis Group is to meet with all sorts of savory and unsavory people and report on what they say. I've never denied whom I meet with; that's what I do." Malley said he always informs the State Department in advance and briefs them afterward. So Kevin James was lying about Robert Malley. He wasn't "secretly working in confidence with Hamas". He was gathering information to file a report on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This right wing attack is total bullshit. So what is the "International Crisis Group", you ask? Here is the Wikipedia description: The ICG is considered the world’s leading independent, non-partisan, source of analysis and advice to governments, and intergovernmental bodies like the United Nations, European Union and World Bank, on the prevention and resolution of deadly conflict. Its primary goals are a unique combination of field-based analysis, sharp-edged policy prescription, and high-level advocacy, with key roles being played by a senior management team highly experienced in government and by a highly active Board of Trustees containing many senior diplomats. So basically, this is the equivalent of smearing a Red Cross worker who met with the junta in Burma while delivering food supplies to the typhoon victims. Or smearing a United Nations staffer who talks with Hezbollah leaders while preparing a report on Iranian terrorism for the Security Council. Malley was just a policy analyst who was doing his job.
By the way, this right wing smear on Robert Malley is just moronic if you know the facts. Here is what NBC News had to say:
One of the Obama campaign's informal Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, confirms to NBC NEWS that he has resigned from any role in the campaign because critics have tried to make an issue of his meetings with Hamas. The Times of London called him about it this morning, and has posted a story online. As a result, he called Obama's campaign today and took himself out of any future role. Malley's paid job is with the International Crisis Group, which, he says, requires him to meet with Hamas and others. Malley worked for six and a half years at the Clinton National Security Council under Tony Lake and Sandy Berger. Lake is now one of Obama's top foreign policy advisors. Speaking to NBC NEWS, Malley said, "I decided based on the fact that this was becoming a distraction that it was best that I remove myself from any association with the campaign." Malley added, "My job with the International Crisis Group is to meet with all sorts of savory and unsavory people and report on what they say. I've never denied whom I meet with; that's what I do." Malley said he always informs the State Department in advance and briefs them afterward.
One of the Obama campaign's informal Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, confirms to NBC NEWS that he has resigned from any role in the campaign because critics have tried to make an issue of his meetings with Hamas. The Times of London called him about it this morning, and has posted a story online. As a result, he called Obama's campaign today and took himself out of any future role.
Malley's paid job is with the International Crisis Group, which, he says, requires him to meet with Hamas and others. Malley worked for six and a half years at the Clinton National Security Council under Tony Lake and Sandy Berger. Lake is now one of Obama's top foreign policy advisors.
Speaking to NBC NEWS, Malley said, "I decided based on the fact that this was becoming a distraction that it was best that I remove myself from any association with the campaign."
Malley added, "My job with the International Crisis Group is to meet with all sorts of savory and unsavory people and report on what they say. I've never denied whom I meet with; that's what I do."
Malley said he always informs the State Department in advance and briefs them afterward.
So Kevin James was lying about Robert Malley. He wasn't "secretly working in confidence with Hamas". He was gathering information to file a report on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This right wing attack is total bullshit.
So what is the "International Crisis Group", you ask? Here is the Wikipedia description:
The ICG is considered the world’s leading independent, non-partisan, source of analysis and advice to governments, and intergovernmental bodies like the United Nations, European Union and World Bank, on the prevention and resolution of deadly conflict. Its primary goals are a unique combination of field-based analysis, sharp-edged policy prescription, and high-level advocacy, with key roles being played by a senior management team highly experienced in government and by a highly active Board of Trustees containing many senior diplomats.
So basically, this is the equivalent of smearing a Red Cross worker who met with the junta in Burma while delivering food supplies to the typhoon victims. Or smearing a United Nations staffer who talks with Hezbollah leaders while preparing a report on Iranian terrorism for the Security Council. Malley was just a policy analyst who was doing his job.
It's not like he was a paid lobbyist for the homicidal junta in Burma, like two of McCain's staffers!
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by existenz on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:01:40 PM PDT
These people are shameless, and sadly we are going to be let down if all we have to rely on to correct them is Chris Matthews, because he sure as hell ain't going to inform himself this well.
by Mother of Zeus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:06:00 PM PDT
probably has no idea who or what Hamas is either. But of course that won't stop him from claiming that Obama employs Hamas operatives.
by Leap Year on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM PDT
what a bozo. But he's on the radio in LA. Scary.
by annalivia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:58:22 PM PDT
http://en.wikipedia.org/...
Hardball Episode On May 15, 2008, James appeared on Hardball debating with host Chris Mathews and supporting the remarks made by President of the United States George W. Bush's May 15, 2008 speech to the Knesset in Israel, where Bush implied that there was a parallel between the appeasement towards Hitler and the policies of leading Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama, in reference to Obama expressing a willingness to meet with the leaders of U.S. adversaries. Although reiterating what Bush said, James admitted that "he did not know" what Neville Chamberlain's "appeasement" in World War 2 was, after being repeatedly challenged by host Chris Matthews to clarify his remarks on the subject. This led Mathews to state: "if you don't know what appeasement is about then don't talk about it." Matthews accused James of being a "blank slate", who didn't know anything about history, and likened James to White House spokesman Dana Perino, who in a public appearance had no idea what the Cuban Missile Crisis was. The episode continued on for 9 minutes.[4][5][6][7]
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by Jimmy Crackcorn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:59:59 PM PDT
Seems like a bit of a demotion to be a talk radio host after being a federal prosecutor and entertainment lawyer. After seeing him in action the most he deserves is a 500 watt station.
by humphrey on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:38:49 PM PDT
a guy. He deserves a show on FOX. Dumb and Dumber.
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by organicdemocrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:49 PM PDT
by ssgbryan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:23:28 PM PDT
"Kevin when your in a hole stop digging."
LOL
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by wargolem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:55:20 PM PDT
like a punchdrunk fighter dimly hearing his corner shouting, "Get down! Get down!" But he shook his head to try to clear it, then started swinging wildly again.
There's only one kind of "discourse" and tactic on rightwing radio: keep yelling and accusing and acting tough and never backing down from anything, no matter how wrong you are.
The constitutional crisis was over two years ago. It's been full-scale erosion since then.
by geomoo on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:34:31 PM PDT
I renew my objection to this pointless endeavor! Informally now and by affidavit later. Time permitting.
by negev79 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:51:24 PM PDT
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by MAORCA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:59:41 PM PDT
yikes.
by CeeusBeeus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:13:28 PM PDT
the most he deserves is a 500 watt station
to go with his 5 watt brain.
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by berkelbees on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:26:10 PM PDT
Humans run at 100-140 W, and a normal person's brain consumes 20% of that, so brains typically run at 20-28 W.
This guy was definitely operating at the compact florescent equivalent thereof.
by Robobagpiper on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:57:24 AM PDT
to see if and when and who changes it
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by Clytemnestra on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:32:13 AM PDT
Chamberlain energized and empowered Hitler?
(just kidding... for now)
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by David R on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:34:50 AM PDT
He actually makes Tweety look brilliant. Go figure.
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by Hummingbird on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:43:37 PM PDT
and i think this sort of taking people to task is where he excels
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by ResponsibleAccountable on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:23:58 PM PDT
he mentions the USS Cole occurring during Bush's Presidency at the end.
I had to smile eventhough it made "my guy" look like a complete ass nonetheless.
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by dookphan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:13:33 PM PDT
Honestly, though, the USS Cole thing would be an easy mistake to make, if you were just asked off the top of your head. You could conflate it with the attack on the USS Stark (which happened near the end of Reagan's presidency, but still...).
Kevin James is clearly an idiot, but I'm not one who thinks every public figure has to have a perfect recollection of all historical events at all moments. Normally I dislike gotcha games played on camera, but this one is really funny. And if you're going to go on TV to complain about appeasement, you should be able to blurt "Munich", at least, when someone asks about Chamberlain.
by elDDeR on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:53:57 AM PDT
at the very least, which he could not do, even if he didn't know about Munich
by Clytemnestra on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:36:33 AM PDT
I hopped over to one of my conservative blogs and they were laughing their asses off too. Some apparently listen to this guy and say he is very bright. He just made the mistake of following the talking point without knowing the background and quite frankly I don't mind a tv host taking him to task.
Our news programs have turned into propoganda outlets where guests can pretty much say whatever they want without really being challenged. Maybe this will put some folks on notice.
by dookphan on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:20:33 AM PDT
There are some things that are easy "misspeaks" by Chris, but I have never doubted his knowledge of history. I think his opinion is off, but factually, the guy is a history/political geek. Definitely one of the better pundits on all of the "news" channels.
by Geex on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:22:33 AM PDT
and corrected himself to "1938" after a minute of so.
Dates are not always critical for understanding, but this one is.
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by faithnomore on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:30:06 AM PDT
Churchill so it's not surprising that he knows all about Neville Chamberlin. Don't remember where I read that but apparently he has encyclopedic knowledge of Churchill.
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by vernonbc on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:53:39 AM PDT
what Chamberlain did for "peace in our time, whatever one may think of what he did.
Especially if you're going to talk about it on the teevee.
What an asshole!!
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by Dissentinator on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:19:21 PM PDT
obviously, idiot boy opted out.
by ssgbryan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:24:28 PM PDT
only goes back 15 years.
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by AaronInSanDiego on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:05:47 PM PDT
in my day, we had to have 2 years U.S., 1 year European, 1 year "World Studies". This was in the 80's and in a public high school (California)
by CeeusBeeus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:15:20 PM PDT
and we had 3 years of history/social studies required, after 8 years of it in elementary/middle school covering basically the same topics. However, it's important to note that in many U.S. history classes, history ends shortly before WWII. (Mine skipped over a block of time - we did discuss civil rights and women's liberation in the '60s, but WWII was only mentioned in the context of the Holocaust - none of my history teachers really seemed to like talking about old rich white powerful men).
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by kyril on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:32:46 PM PDT
Kevin's "show" is on from 9-11 p.m. Pacific time.
That's late for you east coasters, but worth it.
Dial 866-870-KLRA. Be polite, and bluff the screener - just tell them you want to ask about Obama's appeasement approach.
Funny enough, this joker's radio station actually hosts it's web site on Clownhall.com! Talk about preaching to the choir - Republicans really don't understand how hard they're being ridden for dollars, do they?
by vought on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:56:57 PM PDT
We DEFEATED Richard Pombo!!!!
by juliesie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:54:57 PM PDT
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by snackdoodle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:03:11 PM PDT
he is actually pretty fair on things - makes mistakes like anyone - but if you look at his coverage of this primary he's not been a bad actor at all
by ResponsibleAccountable on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:22:24 PM PDT
of Matthews has been that he (and Russert et al) contribute to the trivialization of politics, not that they are unfair. Indeed, this particular brand of trivialization (aggressively pursuing flag-pin and horse-race issues) can be linked directly to a desire to be simultaneously tough and nonpartisan.
by ADamiani on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:26:59 AM PDT
with that sort of line - to the degree that all of the US media have this sort of attraction to the bellicose to feed the news cycle...
so i don't want to make it seem like i disagree with you on that - because you're right of course... but within the media environment we actually are in i think he's just not that bad...
by ResponsibleAccountable on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:24:55 AM PDT
One of the Obama campaign's informal Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, confirms to NBC NEWS that he has resigned from any role in the campaign because critics have tried to make an issue of his meetings with Hamas. The Times of London called him about it this morning, and has posted a story online. As a result, he called Obama's campaign today and took himself out of any future role. Malley's paid job is with the International Crisis Group, which, he says, requires him to meet with Hamas and others.
I've always felt that the demand that we don't even TALK to the other side amounts to demanding that they build their half of a suspension bridge before we even hire an engineer for our half.
There is the chance they'll only waste our time, but that should be decided by the President when planning for the summit. At this point, there aren't many adversaries that would be disheartened if they never met with us. There are some where we can legitimately hope that negotiations will be able to reach a mutually satisfactory solution.
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by Judge Moonbox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:45:02 PM PDT
It also gives the dictator in question a chance to make of fool of himself on the world stage and to rally unaligned opinion around the United States.
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by Yamaneko2 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:01:35 PM PDT
hmmmmm........who does that remind me of? Oh yeah, KEVIN JAMES!
by Glic on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:24:11 PM PDT
Whatever else can be said about Neville Chamberlaine, the Munich Peace Accord stripped Hitler's propaganda machine of its ability to convince skeptics that Britain and France were still trying to hold Germany to the terms of an unfair Versailles Treaty.
by Judge Moonbox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:32:30 PM PDT
so the Munich Accord delayed the war for a year.
Not saying that was worth it, but it shows that Chamberlaine did have a rationale for his appeasement. (At this time, the West, especially Great Britain, still hoped fascist Germany would rid them of the Communist threat, they didn't recognize the Nazis' real aspirations.)
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by aufklaerer on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:01:26 AM PDT
It delayed war for a year? Not if you were Czech. I suppose war could have been delayed for another year, too, if France and England had let Germany invade Poland for free, too. And then another year if they let Hitler have the Low Countries.
It doesn't "delay war" if you let the enemy make military advances without opposition!
by elDDeR on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:57:17 AM PDT
As I wrote in this post (to the other diary exactly like this one):
http://www.dailykos.com/...
The French and English wouldn't have been able to (nor were they eventually able to) beat the Germans. In the absence of US or USSR assistance, they were in no position to put up any opposition. (The Soviets weren't going to help in 1938 and, well, as late as 1939 Gallup poll would show that 94% of Americans don't want to join in a war in Europe.)
All they could do is delay war, hoping for an economic improvement or hoping that the US or USSR change their minds.
by sesquioxide on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:19:44 AM PDT
At the time Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, Stalin was purging his generals. Forged documents by German spymaster Reinhardt Heydrich got the famously paranoid Stalin to think his generals were plotting against him. The purge led to the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact. (The purge might have happened anyways.)
For all his suspiciousness, Stalin didn't think that Hitler would invade the USSR until he did in June, 1941.
by Judge Moonbox on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:12:37 PM PDT
Please don't forget that allowing Hitler to walk into Czechoslovakia gave the Germans the substantial Czech arms industry. More importantly, Czechoslovakia borders Poland, which gave Hitler's armies another geographic front from which to attack.
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by dolphindude on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:40:17 AM PDT
what he was talking about.
by pjbamerica on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:05:02 AM PDT
Tweety's air time ... who'd a thunk it?
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by Quicklund on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:36:21 PM PDT
I'm seeing references to this everywhere. Methinks it's going to match the Jon Stewart Crossfire "You're hurting us" smackdown.
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by auntialias on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:00:17 PM PDT
...that someone publicly and mercilessly deflated one of these yammering airheads.
Three guesses as to how SNL opens this week?
by Quicklund on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:10:36 PM PDT
Transcript at Media Matters.
Nothing clever to add to that, just... good times.
by HeyThereItsEric on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:48:39 PM PDT
or at least get some of the adulation Keith is getting.
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by livjack on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:25:31 PM PDT
by Quicklund on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:07:32 PM PDT
this, it just happens that we are actually in an election that stupid crap won't be tolerated, and the tubes has advanced to the point that this type of stupidity is exposed.
Gawd, I hate sounding like a Tweety apologist. Dont' make me do it again. :)
by CeeusBeeus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:18:33 PM PDT
show in the first place. It is just horrible to look at these posts and hear people actually debate whethher these horrilbe people are treated nicely or get smacked down. Don't forget you are watching GE's MSNBC with gets money by making war materials for the US government. They are not running a public service program but a commercial enterprise to make money and to promote their war profiteering. Why would you support GE News? The problem with Tweety is he loves to have these right wingers like Pat B and others say these outrageous racist sexist pig things so they look a little better. Put Bush next to Hitler and he looks a little better but not much. Notice the War has gone on for years and years. GE is getting money everyday from that war. The people who push this show, good things or bad things, are helping a major corportion get more money from this horrible war. GE pays tweety's salary and allows these neo-nazis a platform.
Shame of folks for watching in the first place.
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by john from vermont on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:00:21 AM PDT
I mean, I could not have answered that question either, but at least I have sense enough to not run my mouth about a topic I don't understand.
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by EeDan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM PDT
I think the lesson to learn from this is the disgraceful example Bush set by throwing around accusations of appeasing Nazis. The Democrats need to feast on this for days as proof that it is time to replace the Republicans. They are completely out of control.
by lastamendment on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:03:00 PM PDT
....he who shouts loudest is right?
by heliosfootball on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:52:00 PM PDT
"He who shouts the loudest is the rightest"?
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by mariva on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:45:30 AM PDT
that one of the most notable images of the 20th century was Chaimberlain standing on the plane steps remarking "i hold in my hand a piece of paper" and so many people don't have a clue nowadays what it was all about
i find it rather shocking - but being from England and going through the education system there rather than here i suspect we had a slightly more robust background in this sort of thing
by ResponsibleAccountable on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:26:23 PM PDT
My brother is Irish, raised in England, and although I am a history nerd and have always loved it, his knowledge of history is almost encyclopedic. Beyond hitting the highlights of U.S. involvement in world wars and affairs (Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, etc) our history education in this country is horrendous, and we learn absolutely nothing of value.
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by balancedscales on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:11:52 PM PDT
That Kevin dude is a total wackjob (cue big circular motions next to head)
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by GoracleFan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:49:00 PM PDT
Others see him as a good guy.
From Hillary is 44:
djia Says: May 15th, 2008 at 7:20 pm there is a "kevin" guy on hardball right now really slinging the stuff at obama and being a great suragate for hillary wow! saying things like hamas endorsed BO and bush was definately talking about BO and BO has alot to answer to the american people
djia Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 7:20 pm there is a "kevin" guy on hardball right now really slinging the stuff at obama and being a great suragate for hillary
wow!
saying things like hamas endorsed BO and bush was definately talking about BO and BO has alot to answer to the american people
Hillary can now add the state of "denial" to her column. <g>
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by Morgan Sandlin on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:53:10 PM PDT
That conversation had nothing to do with Clinton. That guy was a total embarrassment to any of us who walk upright (that includes Orangutans, who probably know more about US history than that clown.)
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by Helena Handbag on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:05:24 PM PDT
heeelairious!!
That guy was such a spaz I can't imagine how anyone would see anything good about that "interview". His most important points: "Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris...."
by GoracleFan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:09:37 PM PDT
