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by cscmm on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:46:14 PM PDT
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"See you at the debates, bitches..." -- Paris Hilton
by grndrush on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:34 PM PDT
If this has gotten that high (top eschelons of the House), then it's surely spreading through the uncommitted superdelegates like crazy. Maybe this "trickle" of supers we've been hearing about coming out in the next several days, will become more of a steady stream?
"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky
by ratmach on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:09:16 PM PDT
Obama's surrogates should start going into full-throttle attack mode. She, Bill, Carville, Stepha-hair-poulous, McAuliffe, and the rest of her entourage need to be totally obliterated politically for what they're doing right now. Obliterated politically, so that they never, ever can claim an ounce of credibility again. No leverage for her in Denver. No future campaigns.
She's not going to go down gracefully, and if Obama and/or his surrogates let her down softly, and accept her forgivingly, she'll continually turn the knife in his back thereafter; and she won't go away; and her spiteful voting block can go screw. Get the howitzers out, and start blowing the freakin' stuffing out of her campaign.
-N.B.
"Don't look back... something might be gaining on you..." -Satchel Paige.
by npb7768 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:04:30 PM PDT
"Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan
by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:24:53 AM PDT
Great Bryan quote. Think how different the world would be if people actually believed it.
Wouldn't it be better for Senator Obama to simply move ahead as if he were the nominee and aim his campaign against McCain rather than Clinton? The press is all over him if he counters attacks, saying he has gone "negative", as he promised not to do. He is the winner and perhaps he should act like the winner and leave the Clintons squirming around in the dust.
by Fabienne on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:20:47 AM PDT
...like you and many others here have said. Clearly, Hillary's true intentions are crystal clear: since she's lost she intends to mortally wound Obama for the GE. He should begin taking his focus off Hillary, and begin levelling a relentless attack on McCain now. It is plain to see that in fighting Hillary he's been fighting McCain by proxy up to this point, but unfortunately for her, she's not the one on their ticket this time around.
Maybe she should do like Lieberman did and for all practical purposes change parties now. She's already shown her true colors. Why still carry on the charade of still wearing the Dem mantle? She hasn't been a Dem for a long time now.
We've got your number Hillary, and '08 is not in the cards for you! And neither is 2012 if we have anything to say about it!
by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:56:41 AM PDT
to screw him up badly even if he is elected, and then challenge him in 2012 for not solving all the problems we're facing in 2008. She'll just do a "Can you hear me now?"
**Yeah, I'm mad! I've been paying attention.
by greylox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:33:31 PM PDT
in an interview to the Times after South Carolina. They didn't listen. I am glad he is calling them on their despicable behavior.
I've been knocking on doors for Obama in New Hampshire, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and Pennsylvania since January. In that time, I have witnessed the steady erosion of AA support for the Clintons.
In the beginning, up in Harlem, I heard good things from voters there about Hillary. No more. And in PA last weekend, the anger in the AA community at the Clintons was really palpable. One woman told me she felt duped by the Cintons. It's a rare day indeed when I hear anyone in the AA community speak well of Bill and Hillary. And I don't think they would ever vote for her now.
Now that Clyburn has spoken, watch for others to come out and criticize the Clintons.
by Earl3 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:02:17 AM PDT
2 thigns: I'm GLAD Clyburn is speaking out, but the fact that he is speaking out as AA tends to put BHO in the race corner where they want him. GORE, and others , WHRERE ARE YOU (I thought for the first time yesterday that Gore is sitting it out because he still thinks he has a chance to get this himself...) Secondly, I serioudlou doubt HRC would think she has a chance in 2012; the Clinton, INC group (DLC) would rather lose against McCain than have the upstart (who does not owe any one a thing) shake up the power structure of the party. At our expense, forget the court, forget possible Iran conflict, forget health care - this is about control of "THEIR" party....
by Carthage on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:39:34 AM PDT
could've had this nomination on a platter last fall. He didn't want it then, he doesn't want it now. I do not know why he has not come out in favor of Barrack, we can only hope he does it soon.
Free Don Seigelman, jail Karl Rove ~ mission halfway accomplished !
by Dvalkure on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:26:33 PM PDT
Good on Rep. Clyburn. I'm sure he's speaking for a lot of people. There's simply no other way to rationalize her vicousness and use of Republican talking points. And for Clinton to think that millions of people, particularly African Americans aren't wise to her motives means she's wrapped herself in a bubble, or just doesn't give a damn. People like Representive Clyburn and thousands of voters like myself will remember how she ran her campaign, and they will make every effort to see her go down in disgrace in all of her future endeavors if she succeeds in ripping apart Obama's and the Democratic Party's chances this year.
by El in New York on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:12:33 PM PDT
for this reason at any cost!!!
by vericool on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:21:41 PM PDT
the original question. I don't think it was about Iran launching a nuclear attack on Israel, but a conventional attack. And her original answer also included defending other ME countries as well.
This deserves an ad to clarify what she said, b/c the media are not following up, & are just letting her lie again.
Dean DNC ka-ching! button
by x on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:01:56 PM PDT
by El in New York on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:02:57 PM PDT
"debate?"
"We the People of the United States..." -U.S.Constitution
by elwior on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:32:43 PM PDT
by El in New York on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:05:41 PM PDT
by grndrush on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:10:26 PM PDT
they can't believe that other people are telling the truth.
How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.
by hannah on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:29:39 AM PDT
I know this from experience.
by x on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:14:49 PM PDT
but I most certainly object to her political tactics, and some of the things I've been hearing about that she's done in the past (that haven't come out until the last few days).
Article 6: "...no religious test shall *ever* be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the U.S."
by billlaurelMD on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:08:30 PM PDT
To look at a politician and see that 'I can't wait to drop bombs' look is very scary. She looks like one of those videos of a cow that's contracted Mad Cow Disease and the video zooms in on the cows eyes it it looks, literally, 'Mad'. She's acting like a lunatic.
I'm not sure she even believes what she's saying. She's just trying to make sure Obama does not win in the General Election.
I love the smell of sulfur in the morning! -- Babs Bush
by Theden on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:15:55 AM PDT
And she's not stupid.
by driftwood on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:40:18 PM PDT
The math here is not that hard. And SHE chose Mark Penn to run her campaign. And did she really believe that Bill was being faithful in the face of the Lewinsky story? Did she really believe it was a function of the "vast right-wing conspiracy (members of which she has no problems being in bed with now?)
by elwior on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:40:33 PM PDT
She wants...demands her next promotion.
by driftwood on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:51:56 AM PDT
Just DOA.
Come on Hoosiers help with the burial.
by griz4u on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:10:41 AM PDT
She knows exactly what she's doing. She is poison now. She will remain poison in the future. I have more oontempt for her than I hold for Bush. The venom and hatefulness shown by many of her supporters comes straight from the top. Hillary Rodham Clinton will not be President now or ever.
Make that change.
by barnowl on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:51:30 PM PDT
I struggled for years with hating Bush until I read Jacob Weisman's book "The Bush Tragedy." Now that I kind of feel sorry for him, Hillary has taken over that position. Boy, do I hate hating!
by emidesu on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:14:30 PM PDT
inevitable, she refused to answer hypothetical questions. Now she's antimating and ugly. Sickeing. Imagine what our European allies must be thinking. Christ we already have Pres. Bring'em On. Could we elect Pres Obliterate?????
by bakenjuddy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:51:57 AM PDT
opposing Hillary's umbrella of deterrence?
by katz5 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:02:11 AM PDT
and Japan are all also watching. Not to mention Pakistan, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, most of the nations of Africa, Russia, Mexico, Brasil and most of South America...
Let's cut to the chase and just re-state that the World is watching...
When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. - Linkin Park
by mystery2me on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:12:06 AM PDT
by bakenjuddy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:35:33 AM PDT
by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:41:25 AM PDT
I used to love Hillary but even before she decided to run for POTUS my love started to sour. Her votes on Iraq and the bankruptcy bill were nails in the coffin. She is just pitiful now. But what is really upsetting is the number of surrogates that are out on the talk show circuit doing mental gymnastics to try and weave a positive narrative of her and her current situation. It is just pitiful and embarrassing. I have lost respect for people like Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. If they choose to spout the ....MI and FL votes should count but caucus states don't .... then they are just as full of shit as she is. I guess I am upset that so many people who I used to respect have such maliable values.
Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/22/gi_bill/index.html opposition
by ScienceMom on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:37:22 AM PDT
I do not claim to know why she is still running but I have to say the 2012 argument is a stretch. I can not fathom that even she would think she could get 2012 after this campaign. I mean wasn't she supposed to waltz to the nomination in 08? And she isn't. There is NO way she would get the nomination in 2012. Nada. None. Zip.
you scratch a redneck and you will find a liberal underneath.....
by Schtu on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:47:23 PM PDT
short memory, which is the other lifeblood of politics.
If you have a Republican Sec. of State start a voter registration certification drive in your area. Reverse the purge.
by Blogvirgin on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:52:32 PM PDT
But how many will be around in another 4 years?
I sure as hell will not forget.
by BehrHunter on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:01:57 PM PDT
supporting Obama, and many of 'em are right here. We might get creeped out by the "another 4 years?" comment. As for me, I'll probably be around then but old age being what it is, I may forget.
Re: Clinton's 2012 strategy, I think she really believes that it will work. Both Clintons seemed genuinely baffled by their loss of support by so many who stuck by them through the impeachment travesty. I don't think they accept the possibility that many past supporters have, at last, opened their eyes to the Clintons' cynical disregard for truth and their willingness to manipulate language to serve their purposes. That whole Republican "Slick Willy" thing may have been right after all. Oh, the irony.
"Not this time"
by MsCasey on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:39:36 AM PDT
demographic parsing. It is just another way of dividing the electorate and keep us at one another's throats. Our common enemy is the enemy who would steal our elections. And this particular cycle, it is HRC
My stats: African American female 45 PhD born Southside of Chicago currently residing in NM
So am I old? educated and under 40? It's bullshit.
by kpbuick on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:23:36 AM PDT
You don't forget hating someone. She's grossly miscalculating.
"There he goes again! Who's laughing now, bitch?" -- Jimmy Carter
by slippytoad on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:06:25 AM PDT
cannot win without them. She has dug her own grave, and I for one am ready to push her into it. Good reddins to bad rubbish. And even though the US media is letting her get away with her new world wide foreign policy statement: Nuke the Hell out of them, our allies and the rest of the NATO and people in the Mid-East are livid about this insane and irresponsible behavior on her part. No other political or government official has ever used this kind of language regarding using nuclear warfare. I am truly disgusted that the media is has not (once again) done their job by calling her out on this monumental gaff. Imagine if Obama had made such a statement.
We shall not fail or falter, we shall not weaken or tire..give us the tools and we will finish the job. Winston Churchill
by Badabing on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:19:43 PM PDT
She can go sit on a warhead.
I pushed my way to the rope line in the winter of 1996 to shake her hand in Corvallis, Oregon, when she was stumping for BC. I thought that she would get into electoral politics. She just had that way about her.
Now she's gone full circle. She's making herself unqualified to be dog catcher. She's cruel, spiteful, hateful, deceptive, and despotic. And that's only her public persona. What on earth is she like in private???
Perhaps we can know something about that as well:
http://tammybruce.com/...
by Eyeball Kid on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:38:16 PM PDT
No pun intended ... but how dare she - or any candidate - threaten another country with nuclear obliteration?
BTW, you should spell it, "Good riddance ..."
:)
by hulagirl on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:59:14 PM PDT
"It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King Jr.
by Arabiflora on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:45:38 PM PDT
the unbearable wrongness of Bush v Gore, and that was eight years ago, so I sure as hell am going to remember HRC's acts of poisoning the Democratic well four years from now!
Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. 76 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!
by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:54:02 PM PDT
ration of chit over the "obliterate Iran" remark because they don't really think she's still relevant in the nomination process.
I believe the corporate media is just milkin' the Democratic primaries for every bit they can get to keep ratings up -- and, so they don't have to cover the constant drip, drip, drip of the ignominious death of democracy in this country.
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by markthshark on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:38:52 PM PDT
Overall, we should be glad she is being ignored because this proves she is not the front runner. We should care more about McCain's mistakes being ignored.
Obama has won. We should all start to believe it.
by loper2008 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:01:23 AM PDT
Her thought presumes a certain control of mass media, which might "forget."
But, the net has changed that equation for information dispersal and the once near-exclusive relationship with the voting public. Not only can large groups remember, they can retain every shred of evidence of most any media. And, they amplify and project it.
Once she went to Melon-Scaife, I, for one, would never think her motives are exclusively her own from that point on.
"But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj
by walkshills on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:40:51 PM PDT
by Creosote on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:36:15 AM PDT
and we've got the Net which is in effect, a gigantic archive of news articles and videos and people's experiences. That's how she got tripped up on "SNIPER FIRE!!!"
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by alizard on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:57:14 PM PDT
almost "100% Certainty" that if you mis-speak, lie, or presume no one will know better, you will be brought to your knees as an outright liar. The accountability systems are developing at a far more rapid speed than the old hacks realize... Just like the dinosaurs in the Recording Industry who thought they could use their might to squash Napster -- then the genie would go back into the bottle. They didn't imagine a sea-change could be possible.
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by rhfactor on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:23:10 PM PDT
"You guys didn't pick me, and you lost. I am a fighter. I can get blue collar democrats, yada yada yada."
It is absolutely in her best interest to see Obama lose. This assumes that people don't call her out on her BS and punish her. It looks like the backlash might be beginning, though...
by lwisne on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:26:12 PM PDT
McCain insisted [no union member] would [pick lettuce for $50/hour] for a complete season. "You can't do it, my friends."
by grrr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:01:42 AM PDT
a shambles, but next time she'll know better than to use Penn or Bill or any of Bill's people. She likes to learn from failures, right?
And if Obama loses in the fall, she'll have the perfect slogan -- neener, neener, neener.
We'll see how enthusiastically she and Bill submit to Obama's leadership once she concedes. I wouldn't be too surprised if its less than graceful, and that will give us a huge tip as to her future intentions.
When employees and stock-holders aren't different people, I'll find something else to do.
by oxon on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:00:14 PM PDT
done that she likely won't get the solid support she needs from anyone. Consider that that was a key argument made here in 2005 and 2006 against Senator Kerry. Even after people said they knew he was a man of integrity and that they agreed with his positions, some questioned if he could win and called that campaign bad.
In actuality, his PRIMARY campaign, the only thing that Clinton has yet done was very well won. He then nearly beat a sitting wartime President even with a media blatantly against him on the strength of his debates and an uplifting convention.
If Kerry, who ran a high minded, principled campaign and who was pretty scandal free and had the positions that became the positions of all the Democratic candidates couldn't get support - how does Hillary, who has run a campaign that the wheels have been flying off of, that is nasty and who has destroyed her own reputation. She is seen as dishonest and untrustworthy by a majority of people. Many are people who admired her as First Lady and afterwards. It is even harder to win back trust that you had once it is gone. The Bill Clinton card is similarly damaged.
Considering two things - that by November, most people thought of Kerry as someone we could be proud of, a classy guy, brilliant in the debates and with no real scandals or major character flaws exposed by hundreds of millions of dollars of ads. At most, there was a political miscalculation on how to fight. Yet, that was enough to prevent many people from getting behind him.
Consider that no one could say that HRC ran a classy campaign. She was less consistent on issues than Kerry and nowhere near as honest. She has been caught in lies that will likely be remembered after the campaign. It will also be interesting to see what her influence in the Senate will be given the diminished value of Bill Clinton and the fact that she likely won't be looked on as a future President.
by karenc on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:57:12 AM PDT
There Will Be Payback In 2012 Also. Hillarys Only Choice Is To Bow Out Gracefully And Let Democracy Runs Its Course.
McCain/(Hagee+Parsley) '08 "We Hunt Jews and Muslims So You Dont Have To. Straight Talk"
by DFutureIsNow on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:17:42 AM PDT
wide narrow
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