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Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
- Albert Einstein
by Walt starr on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 07:56:40 AM PDT
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;)
by Delaware Dem on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 07:58:43 AM PDT
It's time for you guys to canvass in California.
You can always buy new shoes.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:01:09 AM PDT
heh.
There has to be an invisible sun / That gives us hope when the whole day's done -Police
by rightiswrong on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:07:08 AM PDT
thing? What a stretch. Purposeful misinterpretation to the max. Yea Leahy! Yea Obama!
by dotster on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:13:59 AM PDT
fast enough to wear a hole in my sole.
:-)
by rightiswrong on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:17:05 AM PDT
UPDATE: "We need a president who can reintroduce America to the world – and actually reintroduce America to ourselves," Leahy said in the conference call, saying Obama carried the "hope" to end the war in Iraq and to bring "healthcare for all." He also compared the decision to support Obama to supporting John F. Kennedy for president.
UPDATE: "We need a president who can reintroduce America to the world – and actually reintroduce America to ourselves," Leahy said in the conference call, saying Obama carried the "hope" to end the war in Iraq and to bring "healthcare for all."
He also compared the decision to support Obama to supporting John F. Kennedy for president.
http://www.politico.com/...
by Steven R on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:28:25 AM PDT
REAGAN, not Kennedy!
Ouch, it buuuuuurns!!!!!
by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:39:33 AM PDT
At some point in the near future I hope Edwards' supporters rejoin the reality based community. It is still early so anything can happen, but....get real folks.
by FishOutofWater on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:20:21 AM PDT
Too much Kool-Aid for the Edwardian faithful. They're gone.
by baronzito on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:38:58 AM PDT
I'm a huge Obama supporter, and I think the Edwards supporters are committed and passionate -- really solid people. I WISH they were for Obama, but they've gotta go where their heart takes them.
It's thrilling to let the democratic process work.
McCain: Without Issues, Without Vision, Without Integrity. --- or Obama: With Truth, With Kindness, With Endurance.
by CupofTea on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:38:08 AM PDT
and begins to awaken the masses.
I love him, and I wish he would tone down the anger in his voice and slow down his rate of speech.
(Yes, the anger is justified...and it isn't getting him the votes he needs.)
Now...back to this diary.
The Dream Ticket can win the General Election
by Pink Lady on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:45:31 AM PDT
stuff to an Edwards supporter who is someone who has been working for progressive democrats since George McGovern and has been in it for the long haul. but since I have actually been called a long haired hippie communist by people who wanted to beat the dog snot out of me and had people threaten me when a small group of us tried to remind Gen William Westmoreland about my lai I guess I can take it. Obama was right on the war and b/c of that I will switch if I need to to try to stop HRC but you probably need to get a little grip and understand that none of these people is the one savior and maybe not be so arrogant and condescending to others who have been at this for a little while. Edwards has been more progressive during this race and has driven HRC and BO to the left and for that good on him.
by virginia cynic on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:56:26 AM PDT
I think it was FishOutofWater's point that many Edwards supporters need to get a little grip and understand that Edwards is not the one savior, and maybe not be so arrogant and condescending to others who have been at this for a little while. While "I will switch if I need to" isn't nearly as extreme as the vows of many never-admit-defeat Edwards supporters, it does leave me wondering what "need to" means.
by Foodle on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:25:10 AM PDT
I'm not convinced the OTHER guy is a savior of the party and all that other bullshit nonsense, including the Obamalusion that he is the "only" candidate the gop can't slime. As if there is such a thing, a candidate the gop can't or won't slime.
The reality based community includes Edwards supporters who don't see every endorsement of another candidate an indictment of the one whose message resonates with us the most.
We will continue to support the candidate we choose to support, and do not have to drink YOUR brand of koolaid to be "reasonable". After all, Clinton seems to be winning right now, and I don't see any Obama supporters deciding to throw in the towel because their guy just got blown out in New Hampshire.
"Need to" means we believe in our candidate and your candidate has NOT EARNED OUR VOTES, not yet, not by what he has said nor what he has done, and we will support the nominee when we "need to" (and wholeheartedly I might add, as I supported Kerry although I voted for Dean), but we will listen to our hearts and our consciences for now.
This isn't Daily Lemming. We think for ourselves. And we're not deluded that ANYONE is the sole savior, nor that anyone is predestined or pre-ordained to win this. Are you?
"Balance" does not mean giving the same weight to a lie as you do to the truth.
by delphine on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:30:55 AM PDT
to someone who wrote this:
By the time July [2008} comes around, we already will have withdrawn 30,000 troops if Petraeus' recommendation is followed.
by Foodle on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 05:43:57 PM EST
Since you wrote that 161 US soldiers have been killed and on the 10th of September 2007 when you told the rest of the great unwashed that we must accept Petraeus' framing 10 were killed. oh, and the Iraqis? about 2,680 since the 10th of September.
I know, it's not July yet.
by virginia cynic on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:51:23 AM PDT
Do you think 30,000 troops won't have been withdrawn from Iraq by July? Petraeus' withdrawal recommendation is still being followed, we are on track to withdraw at least 30,000 from the peak of the surge by July, many in the military are arguing for further reductions after July, and neocons are still dancing around saying the surge is working. In that context it still makes sense to me to say, "I agree that we should bring more troops home after the first 30,000." Do you think that we shouldn't bring more troops home, or that we shouldn't work to set the expectation of further withdrawals in the nation's political consciousness? Do you think any amount of shouting, "The surge isn't really working!" will bring more than the first 30,000 troops home before July or more after?
Sorry, but beyond not clarifying my on-topic query as to what "need to" means, you are adding more off-topic confusion.
by Foodle on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:32:59 AM PDT
...of true progressivism -- at least since he left office.
Obama has walked the walk his whole career.
by MaximusNYC on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:28:41 AM PDT
I think we'll see them leave en masse.
How could they possibly vote for Obama (who is like Reagan! eek!) or god forbid, the first woman President in American history?
I think there a few paid Edwards operatives here, and they will be gone after the election. Not necessarily rejoining the reality based community.
by recontext on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:36:23 AM PDT
Edwards has lots of paid operatives.
Paid just to interrupt Obama lovefests.
He's got money running out of his ears. Isn't that what I've heard from Obamiacs?
by dewley notid on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:46:08 AM PDT
swath of people here at Dkos. Are you implying that people support Edwards over stupid shit like Reagan comments from Obama and (gasp) HRC's vagina?
I have a vagina also, and would be glad to support a woman for president with whom I agreed on the issues and who I thought was progressive and bold.
That ain't HRC.
And frankly I don't give a shit whether Obama slept in the Reagan WH. I took another look at him during the last debate and again was underwhelmed. I was wowed by his speech in the 2004 convention, just floored, I wept and cheered.
But since he started running he's begun the old triangulation game, the fear of standing for anything (except "unity" or whatever) game. Someone complains in this thread about "attacks" in the media about Obama being against the war but voting for funding. Well it IS an issue, because he said he felt he "had" to vote for funding (against his better judgment) because his constituents didn't understand that defunding the war was not going to leave soldiers on the ground without equipment. So? If he's a unifier (and we know he is a great and inspiring orator), where does this fear come from, that he can't explain a vote to his constituents?
It's things like THAT that have me listening to John Edwards instead. Not some bullshit thing he said about Reagan or being afraid of females running things. You insult for no reason, demean and belitle fellow Kossacks as if we're stupid and senseless just because we don't (thank you Diablo Cody) think the sun shines out Obama's ass.
by delphine on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:15:35 PM PDT
How big of you to celebrate this important endorsement with such empathic class!
Slap happy is a platform.
by averageyoungman on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:33:19 AM PDT
A Reagan Democrat sellout now...LMAO....those DLC operatives and the PAID 4000 Clinton camp commentors are going to be working overtime to denounce Leahy and spin this one!
CondiLiar Rice, enabler and war criminal
by gaiilonfong on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:36:44 AM PDT
I guess a freudian slip "Mars" The way she writes and spins for the DLC she could be from mars...lol
by gaiilonfong on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:41:26 AM PDT
It would explain the alien logic frequently found in her columns.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:10:55 AM PDT
...than Taylor Marsh. Unless, of course, the former Democrat Taylor Marsh has been possessed by a cow-demon who spouts nothing but Hillary praise and Obama bile.
Don't cow-demons have two stomachs?
My needs are getting simpler as the campaign season wears on. Therefore---Unite or Die!
by Fe Bongolan on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:47:09 AM PDT
before her engagement to Bat Boy. Hmmmmmm.
I have the distinction of being called a media whore by Courtney Love. -Maynard J. Keenan
by arielle on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:11:21 AM PDT
to rationality. And the 5 W's.
by arielle on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:09:48 AM PDT
What, have the Repuglicans instituted caning of the feet?
The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find believers if a man only tells them with all his might. - Mark Twain
by mkfarkus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:46:45 AM PDT
Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.
by MadAsHellMaddie on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:50:26 AM PDT
I can hear it already.
Nah, they'll leave him alone. I mean, where do you hit Leahy? This is a pill they'll just have to swallow.
Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower
by Pegasus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 07:58:48 AM PDT
...any Democrat should be proud to endorse him.
See the new AP profile.
by MaximusNYC on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:19:30 AM PDT
"We need a president who can reintroduce America to the world, and reintroduce America to ourselves," Leahy said, later adding, "Barack Obama represents the America we once were and want to be again."
by Bluesman48 on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:10:50 AM PDT
The new "go f*** yourself"... lol.
by Greuben on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:54:30 AM PDT
trying to make light of a ridiculous question. That people fault him for it... just amazes me.
`You have a much too willful will. You think that what you do not do... does not happen' -Zen master to E. Herrigel
by tmc on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:44:38 AM PDT
If this is all you got on Barack ....
(Repeat for the Reagan quote, the Gore and Kerry "slam" ...)
Obama, don't take my advice. I'm just an anonymous blogger on the 'nets.
by Bronxist on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:28:30 AM PDT
Good heavens at the hyperbole.
I point out below that, indeed, this is not surprising as Leahy has, indeed, been very eager to roll-over for the Bush Admin and DOJ, et mal, since he became Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. I and many, many, many Kosniacs (perhaps you) have been incredibly disappointed in Leahy over the past year and with his "stern" letters expressing "deep disappointment" going to the Executive Branch to be merely ignored, or laughed at.
So, that a paper tiger, a milquetoast, like Leahy (has turned out to be) would endorse Obama, rather than a real fighter is not surprising. That's not "trashing", it's just stating an opinion based on Leahy's track record.
BenGoshi ____________________________________________________
"We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown
by BenGoshi on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:06:08 AM PDT
by Walt starr on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:08:38 AM PDT
Or is looking at someones record bad form if they've endorsed YOUR candidate.
I'm sure ANY candidate would have loved Leahy's endorsement. But VERY FEW Senators get everything right, according to most DKOS standards.
And I'm betting that at least SOME of Obama's supporters have WRITTEN on this site criticizing Leahy!
MC=W^3: McCain=W's 3rd term
by sd4david on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:29:00 AM PDT
Hillary supporters would be critical of the fact that Jesus did not attack Pilate.
by Walt starr on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:32:36 AM PDT
Now I realize that this is a "rah rah Obama" thread, so I'm outnumbered here.
And Jesus will endorse a Republican! snark
by sd4david on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:39:18 AM PDT
I think this is good news for Obama, but apparently I have to trash my own preferred candidate and her supporters in order to talk about Obama's good news.
by brittain33 on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:40:51 AM PDT
As did many others here. Including (who'd like to bet?) many Obama supporters, who now seem to have forgotten . . .
Funny, that.
BenGoshi ___________________________________________________
by BenGoshi on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:59:43 AM PDT
to fully enjoy this news.
John McCain: Vowing to connect real leaders with real bowels
by chicago minx on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:39:37 AM PDT
Instead of fishing for mojo by belittling the honestly expressed opinions of others?
I find it interesting that it isn't supporters of others that are dragging negativity into the thread. Rather it is provocations seeking to inspire it.
by averageyoungman on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:48:49 AM PDT
He correctly pointed out that Reagan massively changed the country's direction, by appealing to people with positive rhetoric.
I loathed and still loathe Reagan. But clearly the man was a talented, charismatic, even charming politician.
That is all Obama was saying. The fact that he did not (this time) accompany this observation with a ritual denunciation of Reagan's record on the issues does not mean he was praising the man.
by MaximusNYC on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:32:00 AM PDT
by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:43:17 AM PDT
yes, I was snarking
by chicago minx on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:51:38 AM PDT
You can't bring FACTS to a candidate diary!!
by tmc on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:45:41 AM PDT
As I read his statements, Senator Obama was commenting on the impact of Reagan upon the American political culture, not suggesting that that Reagan's actions in government were commendable. Democrats who lived through the era were often too blinded by the regressive policies of his government to thoroughly deal, even intellectually, with Reagan 's appeal, particularly to Democratic working class constituencies. Obama will not make the same mistake, and understands the need to excite Americans with the prospect that America can be the best country in the world. I think he realizes that the message cuts across party lines and will be productive for him in a general election. I'm pretty sure Obama doesn't believe Reagan that, " government is the problem not the solution", but, if elected, he will strive mightily to avoid the big government label, and this may be disappointing for some that have voted for him.
by Canadianbacon on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:00:05 AM PDT
..The primary season, perhpas.
"My Friends, that kid drank my metamu..milkshake." --John McCain, 11/9/08--
by Ericwmr on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:02:42 AM PDT
... but BG only makes his point here because it doesn't line up with his choice of candidate.
We can argue the correctness of all the Senate in another diary... and yes, they would all be found wanting when looking through candidate-colored glasses.
Misled Into War: A Timeline/DowningStreetMemo.com
by highacidity on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:41:59 AM PDT
That's the thing: all of the incredibly thin-skinned Obama supporters wail and gnash their teeth about "trashing" and "bashing" and, yet, can't seem to come up with any substantive rejoinder to the point(s) I make here.
Interesting, that.
BenGoshi __________________________________________________
by BenGoshi on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:58:40 AM PDT
Yet it didn't actually commence until 8:06:08, nearly ten minutes later.
by trivium on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:37:56 AM PDT
with trash talking points.
I can understand the 10 minute interval. Leahy's a tough guy to trash. The best the Republicans could ever get was telling him to go F&$% himself.
by Walt starr on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:23:02 AM PDT
everything's "trashing" and "bashing" unless it's a comment that throws flowers at Obama's feet. That you have no substantive response to my comment should, one would think, cause you to re-think your own position. But I suppose that that asks too much.
by BenGoshi on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:56:48 AM PDT
Typical, Ben...
Unity
by DemDog on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:13:27 AM PDT
with which to respond or argue against the point made.
It would seem that, what with your having no response, you'd re-think your position. I suppose that that's asking to much, eh?
BenGoshi _________________________________________________
by BenGoshi on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:55:22 AM PDT
Always polite...blah, blah, blah...all talk no action.
HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.
by kck on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:23:56 AM PDT
The Borg activication chip really blinked red on this one, huh?
by pletzs on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:25:00 AM PDT
Borg activication chip really blinked red
Thing must be totally outta control right about now - all hands on deck!!
by Timothy J on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:41:59 AM PDT
The unders win...
by Greuben on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:55:23 AM PDT
everything that's not lauditory is "bashing". Gad.
BG _______________________________________
by BenGoshi on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:52:49 AM PDT
LOL. You poor guy. what color is the sky in your world?
by CupofTea on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:40:15 AM PDT
. . . a substantive response that you have none and have no argument against what I write. Thank you.
by BenGoshi on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:53:44 AM PDT
Did anyone catch the results of the latest straw poll?
by Pragmatic Left on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:09:15 AM PDT
But a GREAT endorsement!
by DemDog on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:12:50 AM PDT
by baronzito on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:14:54 AM PDT
Sure, Leahy sez he'll endorse Obama, but what if Obama chooses to ignore that endorsement, what then? Well Leahy will fold like a lawn chair in a Vermont blizzard, that's what! See? See???!!!
On Liberation Day, 1/20/09, Americans will greet us with flowers and candy
by kamarvt on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:21:44 AM PDT
Really? I see none in my neighborhood - that'd be crazy!
Thank God it's snowing tomorrow - this long drought without snow (two-three days) was killing me...
by baronzito on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:29:56 AM PDT
and all who sail in her! The writer's state, my last domicile before Washington. If I could stand the cold and/or make any money there, I'd be there in a heartbeat.
by Bluesman48 on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:17:16 AM PDT
-Bernie Sanders.
And I owe a debt of grattiude to Vermont for giving the democratic party HOWARD DEAN! yeargh!
by sd4david on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:31:06 AM PDT
And he's a huge fan of the Grateful Dead.
Gore-Warner in 08!
by Frederik on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:46:43 AM PDT
by Irons33 on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:16:39 AM PDT
n/t
-4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.
by pat bunny on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 08:27:08 AM PDT
"Wow. This will be an educational thread. I will now get to learn of every single last bad vote, off-color remark, regrettable compromise and moral weakness of Senator Leahy's today!"
by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:38:32 AM PDT
I don't know what type of endorsement this really is...
This is tremendous news!
Obama '08! Don't just stand there, Get Involved!!
by Skulnick on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 09:50:51 AM PDT
I'm sure these have been said already, but here ya go:
"Leahy takes money from Haliburton!"
"He isn't a real progressive! Back in 1988 he voted with with the Republicans on Bill #47856756739303..."
"How dare he backstab Edwards when Edwards is more closely aligned with him on the issues?"
"He's a sexist pig!"
"Who cares? He's a pushover Bush-Dog! We need a fighter!"
by little liberal on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:10:15 AM PDT
...until I thought how true it is.
Each election year is an ethics test for the mainstream media, and the paper is invariably returned with "See Me After Class"
by jpfdeuce on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:16:52 AM PDT
Barak yourself! :p
by Beetlecat on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:33:23 AM PDT
wide narrow
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